God Dammit peroronchino!
He is our bro.....
Bwhahahaha peroronchino is the best!!!
well i guess that's one way to 'die' and go to 'heaven' as well as 'hell' all in one night.remember kiddies too much of a good thing is a bad thing~I have a feeling shalltear pulls a wishmaster on her and ends up making her have a killer orgasm
Speaking of which, it's a bit similar to She professed herself as the pupil of the Wiseman except the MC was Mainly Good. And although the 9 Wisemen had fetishes similar to the extremity of the 41 Supreme Beings, they were all pretty good guys.
uguu.. meatbun is now scared of Tails...
Wait a sec. I just thought of something. Perhaps the reason why the ending for Arche changed was because the ending was sexual in nature and that was something they could not commercialize? I wonder why people being devoured by insects, torture, and massacres similar to the Nazi's were allowed yet the life of Arche could not be spared due to web novel ending for her being erotic. This is something that could be debated on and will last for quite some time.
humans are stupid, especially outside the west. their cultures are still developing. they are like different species. they have a lot of questionable standards and traditions. its a common brain failure. its like people who think that life is sacred, but support the war and eat bacon. everyone is a bit retarded.
Do note that Overlord is an Asian publication. Sweeping statements like this is just plain ignorant.
The above anon has a very infantile understanding of the following concepts: being cultured, peace, power, and the dietary system.
That's true. I suppose the reason for the difference is in regards to moral ethics? Still, allowing brutal murders and massacres yet forbidding rape and the like... Although I detest both, I can't accept either of the endings.
General consensus and discussion forums stated that the author held a poll and the native fans voted Arche off. There is no debate when there is a definitive answer. That's the gist of things.
Now technically the LN cuts off at the historical laughter. And in this it does say arches goes unconscious while laughing, so realistically, since the LN was written in the perspective of arches, e would not have read the last part of this. Meaning this is still on the table, just off screen. Right?
*while shalltear's laughing.
What the fans voted was to let Arche live but the author wants to kill her. The reason it was changed was not because of some cultural difference or something but because the author wants to keep it dark and brutal. As for you first anon, you're the stupid one you racist piece of shit.
If we're talking about not being suitable to be comercialized, the LN one where she was chopped to pieces is worse than the WN one where she became a sex slave. With all the different hentai they release, some even worse than what happened to Arche, being erotic is not the problem.
No, Arche lived in the wn but for the ln, the author had a poll to decide her fate and what the fans voted on was what was shown in the ln. either way it doesnt matter since demiurges farm is pretty fucked up in of its own
According to one comment in Arche's wikia page, the author conducted a poll and the Japanese fans voted for Arche to live in the WN but the author decided to change it in the LN. Then some foreigner misread something and it turned into fans voting for Arche to die, and then the wrong info was circulated or something.
How on Earth did you find out about that? And what kind of idiot misread that...
I was reading some spoilers on wikia, found Arche's page, looked at the comments. Probably some guy who used a translator to read it.
And I was right in thinking this would start a debate... Well, I'll be quite active this week and the next since it'll be Knights and Magic next.
Sweet. Knights and Magic is one of my favFor the ln though it's quite dissapointing. The rapemaster Shalltear didn't make enough scene sob sob
I think the US has some of the more assinine laws, but that said, this is written for a Japanese audience. Japanese laws can also be somewhat hard to understand. I don't know if they still have this, but when I was living in Japan they had a law against the depiction of pubic hair. Yet I remember seeing full nudity on TV during family time. Never really understood this, but they used to hire Japanese college students to black out public hair in imported Playboy magazines.
Death by orgasm. That's new.
Death by snu snu XD
Apparently, she didnt die though. Just had her mind broken, and became a sex slave.I find rape pretty repulsive, regardless of the perp or victim's gender, so I couldn't actually say which novel ending was worse
The novel ending was worse because the slavery was only temporary and in the end not only she was freed but she even managed to save her sisters.
I share the same view as you when it comes to rape but I find the LN one where she was chopped to pieces worse.
No, she is still be shalltear's sex slave, but she can live with her sisters, and have their own cabin in 6th floor.Beautiful, isn't it :))
Like the idea of arche surviving more. Especially good that her little sisters are somehow safe.
dat picture tho
looking closely...next to shalltear...yep she definitely gave Arche a tail... XD
Now wait just a minute isn't it possible that this still happened in the ln and just wasn't explicitly mentioned? I sure hope so for the poor imoutos sakes :(
nope it was already mentioned that they tore her apart and it's implied Zeta is using her vocal cord while the rest of her body parts are distributed among the resident's of Nazarick
maybe they tore her apart and regrow the part...? just like demiurge ''sheep''
nope they clearly mentioned her head being given to someone...just give up as this is the reason why some say the ln version has the worse fate for her as she dies in the ln while in the wn she lives and eventually gets back together with her sisters in nazarick
and to clarify for the guardians Ainz's orders are absolute, so when he ordered Shalltear to kill her then you can be sure she killed her
I went back to the text and the WN version shalltear goes:“Hmmmm? Fainted already~? …Well then~, when you wake up we will have some fun~!”In the LN she goes:“Ooooooh? Fainted already? …Then there’s no need to knock you out with magic. You can embrace Death in your dreams~”The part about Entoma/Albedo/Ainz isn't in the WN either.So yup she's dead.And yes it's frankly better than being a blood addled sex slave.
"And yes it's frankly better than being a blood addled sex slave."You wouldn't be so quick to make that declaration, if you read about what happens to her little sisters, based on WN vs LN.
I used to belive death was better than rape as well. Now i don´t. Rape is just a passageway thing. Got your soul broken ? THERE IS help for that. You CAN be whole again someday. Death is more complicated.
well,, death is like a Permanent Solution to a Temporary Problem.
You guys needs to put those into google image: guro slime futa vampire sex.And take the safety filter off.Then picture yourself witnessing it/participating in it everyday until the day you die (slime is because she's Solution BFF they often "play" together).Then you come back here and say it's better.That way we will know for sure you're insane, instead of just thinking you're just saying things without thinking about it.
Putting aside guro, what's actually so inherently wrong with slime/futa/vampire sex? "Oh noes, being raped by a girl with a penis is infinitely worse than being raped by a man!"And I don't know about you, but if suffering that fate for a few months guarantees that my innocent younger siblings can be saved from a brutal, very short life of being sold into slavery? I'd rather be "insane", than whatever you are.
You seem to forget that this is Overlord.Death is temporary and can easily be reversed with some resurrection magic. And apparently, Ainz is capable of healing mental trauma, but that doesn't stop them from hating him for being tortured.
Not if the body is literally torn to pieces
peroroncihno good job (y) :D
peroronchino is my (new) hero
I could imagine Momonga's skeletal expression when he screamed his guildmate's name... pretty much like one of the Ovallord skellie pic... you know, the one with tears.
And I have just realized that on the illustration for this post, Shalltear is sitting next to someone, with blonde hair and blonde tail.OMG *facepalm*
:> faith in author restore at least she didnt die
This does not apply to the light novel. She's dead. Get over it already
She didn't die in the WEB NOVEL. She was chopped to pieces in the Light Novel. She's dead. Get over it.
I completely agree. The webnovel is just a rough draft while the light novel is the real deal. The webnovel is cool but the writing style is a bit sloppy. Dlraig is right. She's dead so we gotta move on lol
Two words: Resurrection magic.I can imagine Fluder asking him for a favour, and him using it as an excuse to try out higher rank resurrection magic on her to see if she can be resurrected from those conditions.
Fluder doesn't care about the emperor he raised. He won't give a fuck about Arche. He's too busy gushing about the Abyss of magic he will be able to learn from
He does care about the emperor he raised, however he chose immortality over the emperor who he raised, and even then.. It doesn't necessarily mean that the emperor will be killed.. He might be turned into a figurehead who answers to Ainz instead.As for Arche, it's a disciple who he trained in the past.There's practically no cost to Ainz resurrecting her, and it allows him to test higher forms of resurrection.As for the "Abyss of Magic", the reason he wanted to learn from it is to gain immortality. Ainz can easily give him immortality. Not to mention, that his on the level of the Combat Maids, so his actually a useful asset to Ainz.
He has nothing to gain by resurrecting Arche and Fluder is still serving up the emperor on a silver platter. Your desperation to bring Arche back is laughable
Some should supply lube....seriously how butthurt can someone be.
Any news on Overlord Vol 10 ? :3
Better ending than the novel . GJ Shalltear .
No not really.
And you are just so very wrong.
“That woman… You mean Arche-chan, yes? Right now I’m in the middle of giving her a tail.”“Tail…? Did you turn her into a lycanthrope or the like?”Did there exist some method to turn people into the beastmen, lycanthropes? Wondering this, Ainz had asked Shalltear about it.“No, ana-…”“Enough.”i'm fuckin out of here
Huh? Your doing "it" to someone while going out?
The story and characters seem a bit messy. Ainz is much more dense in this one than I've ever seen him. I guess that's the difference between something that's been professionally published and not huh? Personally I prefer the light novel more and it got the readers to feel really sad.
Any reference on what chapter on WN arche reunited with her sister?
All the butthurt teenager boys who cry about Arche should avoid dark fantasy and switch back to Sword Art Online
Butthurt. I bet Arche's butt hurts. ;-)
Hahahahahaha XD. That ending when Ainz shouting Peroronchino! :-D :-D :-D
The Light novel is just a censored, toned down version of web novel. Battles was cut down to accommodate book page limit. Ainz battle in the Colosseum was totally nicer. In regards with this volume ~ hentai materials was removed (Arche, for later volumes ).
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Because a loli died the whole Light Novel is now inferior...lol
Wow that's pathetic...just becasue she died it's now worse?
@anon: a loli death is always a detrimental point to the book
Also why spend an entire chapter or two on Arche's background story in the LN, then off her in the end? The LN is a mess. I'd be happier if the writer spend that on the main charaters instead.
It's to kick you right in the feels. Especially if the author managed to convince a small part of you to believe that there was a however-slim chance of a happy ending, after Nfirea/Enri and Sebas/Tsuare.If the author didn't put any effort into fleshing out Arche's background, nobody would give a flick about her, and there would be no impact to what is clearly meant to be the strongest hint yet that Ainz was truly Becoming the Mask as an Evil Overlord.
Because you would not care if a random person would die. That you cry like a little girl about her death is proof that writer achieved what he wanted.
In the webnovel, arche is a main character that connect ainz to the magic school arc.. and well.. some people found that arc a bit boring.Maybe thats why they decide to kill arche.. to avoid getting into that arc altogather.The difference in the past volume with the wn is that in the wn the priest guy in the team decide to cooperate with ainz in exchange for arches life/safety, in which he doesnt do in the light novel.
Does Ainz get Fluder in the WN?Becasue Arche is useless if he has Fluder to do that.
He was there in the translations for the big battle in vol 9 that I saw on animesuki
And I think the priest guy is a very important part of the whole plot because he becomes a test subject to experiment on god's existence and their powers.Though even in the wn, he still meets living hell in nazarick basements.. Brainwashed, and even gets to be food supplies...As in, cut right arm> heal >repeat till forevermore.Too bad all people care about are arche... other people in their team suffer fate worse than death in the wn.
I think they only care about her little sisters lol.
yep, so bad that quick and painless death is truly an act of mercy
can i ask something? why does everyone thinks that the one who got chopped to pieces was arche (the mage) instead of imina (the half elf/hunter)? i don't remember any name mentioned in the text when they were talking about it...
okay. i've just reread the part where entoma comes and i found this dialog from Ainz [“Is that so? In that case, it is fine. It is a hunter’s responsibility to not make waste of their prey. Any hunter would most likely have done the same. Think of this as a memorial service.”] i think this memorial service is for imina (cause she's the hunter) and i still can't find any mentioning of arche's getting cut to pieces..
Imina was not hunted. She was paralized. The only one hunted was Arche. Your denial is laughable
Lol dude it's stated that iminia and that leader dude where used as nests.Arche is dead.
@Diraig well... you missed the point there. i was talking about their class as an adventurer such as assassin, knight, cleric, archer,etc. but thanks for replying. :)@Letum Mors okay, i totally forgot that scene.. thanks for reminding me and replying. :)
No one would hate an online gaming friend like Peroroncino...
I love it when people cry for Arche. Dem tears are delicious. When no one gave a damn about Khajiit. Or Zach. I doubt if people even remember their name. Their background is even worse than Arche. People simply cry for Arche just because that is a SHE.Just one thing people should get over it. Overlord is not about VRMMORPG. And Ainz isn't a good guy either. It has been hinted throughout the story about the vilainization of Ainz already.
I didn't think that deleting my comment would occupy some needed space. Oops. Wish I could edit to fix my spelling mistakes.Ainz is not a villain. He's fairly neutral, albeit a bit emotional. Becoming emotionless is not the same as becoming a villain. When I think of the word "Khajiit", only the race from the Elder Scrolls games comes to mind. Zach is that boy who serves that fetishist of a princess, right? I might have to reread the whole thing.
It's fairly reasonable that people would cry over the death of a lovely loli. The author really stretched out her background too, with the cute little angelic sisters and whatnot. There's a possibility that she'll come back sooner or later, somehow through some way. Zach isn't tied to a leash yet, no need to cry for him.
Nekokoko from Overlord Wikia here, I disagree with you on Zach's case!His background may have been bad, but unlike her, he raped women and fought only for himself. Arche was trying to earn money for the sake of the sister with her a$$hole of a dad not helping.In Khajit's case, he blamed himself for his mothers death. Touching.Although it was a innocent child's wish to revive his dead mom, it turned out horrible as he was willing sacrificed innocent lives to turn himself into a leech. He should have looked for other ways to revive her, but nooooo...(sacarstic tone). He just haaad to be a necromancer instead!So all in all, Arche IS WAY BETTER then those two! I rest my case!
There is a grave difference between Arche's and Khajit's crimes and Khajit is more luckier because I'd rather turn into dust than have my body chopped and toyed with. Plus, Khajit killed people, no matter how logic you use, murder is more grave than tresspassing. No excuse for that. As for the femininism rant, I'd tell you that I really enjoyed Clementines's death. Happy now?
Arche was a worker, what are the chances that she also murdered people for money? Pretty sure it's high.
I would say half the reason people are pissed about Arche's death is because of her sisters (and because apparently they quickly get sold to some kind of slavery and die thereafter). We are saddened and outraged by this because we know (due to her being a POV character). Ainz and the crew, on the other hand, have no idea about this. For them they are just a bunch of greedy adventurers that are, from their point of view, just mooks.Also, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that in the WN version she only stays as Shalltear's 'playmate' for a short while before she is allowed to get out and rescue her sisters.Her fate is not pleasant either way, but one ending only kinda-sorta dooms her while the other ending certainly dooms her and some other completely innocent characters.
Hope all the kids go back to Sword Art Online.
amen to that
Nigga please. I read more fucked up titles like Gantz and Berserk. You won't see Guts killing a helpless woman.
Guts wouldnt but the monsters and villains in berserk and gantz would....must I remind you that this novel is on the perspective of the latter?
Are people still confusing Web novel and Light novels... I swear we got past this already. LN: DeadWN: Sex-slave.Done
I'm fine with the light novel version. Arche could have been useful but it's not really an option now.
Not really Ainz already has Fluder who is 100 times more useful than arche.
Exactly. Fluder is more competent and more experienced than Arche. In the grand scheme of things ARche was nothing but an ANT to Ainz. Too many people harbor this belief that just a bit of fleshing out guarantees a character's survival. Bullshit.Heck the lizardmen party were massacred in their fight with Cocytus and only revived as a result of negotiations because they had something to contribute to Nazarick. Thieves have no such worth. So let them contribute as corpses or experimental subjects.
... At least in the wn she's alive.... but she's still fucked (literally).
After read LN version Make me want to bitch slap Ainz so badly.to make a girl character get chopped and eating is the most badly in my opinion:PNow If Ainz meet a bad situation, It will not gonna make me sad anymore. You deserve it you dam bone!!
Oh take your stupid self righteous attitude elsewhere.
Please don't judge another opinion like stupid like this"=A= Even I don't like Ainz doesn't mean I hate the story or don't respect other opinion.The Story still attractive and after read a lot of comment I just wish to share my too that is all.Beside still feel sorry for that two little kids, Hope they didn't meet worsen fate than their sister.
Basically, what the guys is saying, Anoynmous repliant, is that Ainz is no longer a character he would be sad for if he died or failed. I share his sentiment. Ainz is still less of an asshole than that goblin guy from that other light novel, since he's actually fighting for something other than himself, but teh loli needs justice, fufufu.
Hypocryte....Dude just because she is a girl it doesn't make killing her worse.She was a thief and he rewarded her appropriately.Her teammates got a far worse fate.
No. What if I told you I enjoyed Clementine's death? I feel bad not only for her but also her teammates. Even if they genderbent her, I would still feel bad. Simply killing her is good enough. No need to toy with her dead body.
lol thats make shalltears more like bitch than light novel.
why are people disturbed about web novel where arche became Shalltears subordinate? Also it's written there that she kept her virginity, so most of the play Shalltear did was, well, "light"...
I swear these kids!
Wow, now I wish someone would translate the web novel. Alternatively I could learn Japanese... if there's ever going to be a thing to motivate me to learn another language it would have to be loli on loli action :3
I've tried finding web novels before but have had no luck does anyone know where I can find this one I'm kind of interested in the differences I keep hearing about.
Someone needs to point me to where I can look at the light novel and see the divergence. Like which paragraph and such. I haven't gotten to volume 7 yet. But I would like to know so I can see the differences between the two.
Beh... cause Este... many people become arche fanclub...Lol~
Thank u Sky!! Need more Overlord Chapter to read i cant stop like just wandering what happen. When will be the Volume 8 release?
I just noticed that she's not leaning on a couch...
Eh, I will just headcanon this when I get there. Unless something about her comes up later I will just dream up an elaborate and humorous escape story for her and pretend that she not only survived but accidentally became rich.On a more serious note, I think the real problem with Arche is that she is a POV character. I doubt we would care about her at all if she didn't have a name or backstory and was just one of the redshirts. But alas, our dear author decided to tug on some heartstrings to establish how his setting is getting more grimdark over time.
Anyone translating the web novels?